Something isn’t right with our textile science course

Something isn’t making sense; something is missing. Those who are supposed to help us understand the riddles of fiber science are not making their points clear! And this is happening in our course titled, non other than Textile-176.

According to the instructor, he has never had such horrid results ever in his teaching experience! An alarming number of students have flunked the second hourly and a huge number of C’s and D’s have been awarded. Since we’ve entered this institute we have been tortured in to believing that we are the worst thing ever happened to this place. The proverb works both ways I guess, there are times we feel that this place is the worst thing that could happen to anyon. Anyways I thought I might get a general opinion on the issue as burying our heads in sand and pretending that everything’s going to be alright won’t get us any further.

Coming to the point, how many of you guys were able to answer the weirdoes (questions 3 and 4 in the second exam) logically? For those who don’t know, question 3 required naming those end products that are only made with cotton and no other fiber can replace them whereas question 4 asked to replace them by any fiber that had been studied in the session included in the exam and give the production process till the end product keeping in mind the time to deliver the product to market.. People came up with different answers; some even wrote jute and asbestos!

The instructor claims that sometimes students are made to think about the wildest things in a logical way! What sort of fiber science are we being taught? At first you’re told that end products can’t be replaced and then asked to replace them with any fiber of your choice with the choices being sisal, jute, asbestos and wool. The teacher says that wool is the appropriate answer. Imagine wearing underpants or using towels made of wool. As far as under garments are concerned why use wool for it even in regions where cold climatic conditions prevail? Why not use acrylic instead! And forget about towels made of wool. Above all the target markets for both fibers are entirely different. Cotton is preferred for summer wear and wool for winters; I know Americans have developed summer wool for dressing purposes but for that, the production process is completely different. And we haven’t studied that therefore couldn’t use it in our answers.

This whole issue is being ignored because somehow some people managed to get some marks in both questions. But is it really about getting marks? Or is it about giving marks when answers don’t make sense at all? How is any of this going to help clarify our concepts? I leave this to be answered by you.

The following article has been contributed by a student from first year.

11 Replies to “Something isn’t right with our textile science course”

  1. hi students
    teaching andlearning is the two way process.a teacher can not teach studentsunless students want to… second thing that TIP have arranged for u all the TAs for each course and tecaher u should contect them but not after the exam. u shouyld discuss ur any querry and prob in detatil. the thing that u could not answer the question or there was any misunderstanidng b/w u and the teacher or any misconception. u are supposed to answer the question in a very logical way. if u are right in ur logic no one can mark u wrong and unless u develope the habit of discussion and logical thinking u can not answer the paper perticularly the Fiber Science paper by mr ali. u have to be very logical in ur answering. once we have such Q for the knitted kurta and every body answer in its own way but thoes who proved there logic weather he made the kurta with Simple single jursey. rib or even the interlock for good dimensional stability. teacher checked there logic and reason. any body who proved there answwer with logic and reason he got good marks. i have personal experience in TA ship as since two yaer i have been appointed for TA and also once for mr ali hafeez. that students never turn up to TAs for their querries but always for the markes and the quizes.
    here in TIP the teacher is just facilitator . he guides u about the topics and remanning is up to u from where u get the details. some part is discussed in class and reaminning is left for u to search in books and online.
    so students don’t worry about the results. they are just the material thing. u are supposed to go in iundustry where ur logic and understanding matter more then ur studies. so be logical and resonning.

  2. dear friend
    its not your fault.we also attempted the same paper and got Bs and C.but still we are happy because that paper was made took almost 15 minutes to understand what was the theory behind the questions and after you understood the questions,attempting that paper was fun.
    its not your fault friend if you have got bad marks in your textile paper and instead of crying over split milk and justifying that your C actually deserved an A.sorry my friend .
    you need to study more hard for the final TEXT-176 paper.
    and about the lecturer Sir Ali Hafeez Azmat.i think he is one of the best teacher of TIP alongwith Sir Arif Idrees,Faiza Saeed and Rakshanda Shah.
    the ground reality is that most of the students of first year are happy with Ali Hafeez style of teaching.Long Live Ali Hafeez Azmat.

    First Year Sciences

  3. Just curious, have either of the first year science sections been taught by Ms. Rakhshanda Shah? If not then how can you conclude that she is one of the best teachers on campus?

    I being one of her students can say that she is one of the few teachers at TIP who know how to follow the course outline and is indeed effective as a teacher but how can you say that if you haven’t studied any of her courses?

  4. ummm.Rakshanda Shah is a qualified teacher and her qualifications says it all.
    the only reason that her students are not satisfied with her ( the second year ) is that she is teaching an extra class this time ( the statistics course which was earlier being taught by sir hisham bin zubair to the second year sciences) .
    similiarly apart from that second year course no one really can doubt her teaching expertise in the realms of economics . she is the queen of that

  5. pardon me for the cliche .. but as they say , that you can judge a book by its cover similiarly a teacher s capabilties and effectiveness can be judged by his/her qualifications .. its the substance that matters at university level . thank god its TIP.

  6. It’s not just qualifications that make a good teacher. Its also about their aptitude towards teaching.

    And you were wrong, the saying goes, “never judge a book by its cover.”

  7. Getting grades is not the matter discussed but the knowledge which is really concerned.this is the subject which we havent studied ever before so dont u ppl think, replacing wool with jute and sisal matters even if the fibers are tought in the session.I personally think that the issue needs concern by the instructer if he understands.It doesnt mean i m trying to be a critic but perhaps this is what i think too agreeing with what the writer has said.

  8. I was just wondering why the people who are posting the comments not mentioning their names?

  9. does any one of u know that somebody got pretty decent marks for repalcing the products with asbestos! i m still in shock! cant figure out why marks were awarded to that guy because the fiber was from this session even though it was totally sense less!
    and he goes like…”i was forced to do soo…”

  10. I have been a teacher at TIP.

    By now I have read everything above, meaning all the articles and the comments made to it. With a lot of amusement I went through the words of the fans and foes of Ali Hafiz,Rakshanda, Faiza, Arif, Hisham and their pro and post feelings. I too have a comment to make.

    Both students and teachers lack a particular trait in their academic selves; that trait precisely is “humility”.

    The best studentship is to seek knowledge constantly, fear no one and to speak openly, for or against anyone at all. Be it the teacher, be it the president or be it the Dean, within a certain “epsilon circle” of conductive behaviour.

    The teachers on the other hand have some other problems besides this “humility” issue, they have a wantom urge to be respected n to be saluted and for all the time I have been at TIP I have never been able to fathom this riddle. What teachers perhaps need to learn at TIP is that respect cannot be “commanded”, it comes itself. I am surprized to see that many of the comments (above or below) do not carry the name of the writer, it must be because the writer feels threatened of his/her words.

    Nobody knows “everything” about a particular science regardless of how great an expert (s)he is; and teacher are absolutely no exception, but somehow they are inclined not to admit it. You know, this is a barrier towards teaching and learning. When in academia we should discard “anything” at all which comes as a barrier to the precise reason, for which we are at that venue, with that company.

    A very frequent tool/vice (call it whatever) teachers use to hide their own incompetence is the casual, unexpected and subtle use of “humiliation”. They humiliate students to “curb” their tendency of “free inquiry” which can potentially bring their incompetence to light. In a co-educational environment this can be absolutely disastrous. Students feel it probably better to save their face in front of the other hormone rather than be ridiculed by their teacher in front of their pals. Fear (of anything or anyone) is a direct “antidote” of learning. Only a “free” mind can learn. I wish teachers would realize this point before doing damage to an unreversible extent.

    The best policy is to accept students as friends and equals, marvel at their mental capacities, praise them, challenge them, and to behave with them in every way as a teacher would do with her/his own collegues.

    I personally believe that children are our assets, they have physical and emotional needs like ourselves. They like to be praised and respected just as we do. They hate to be humiliated and ridiculed in public, naturaly as we do. They have a mind perhaps less corrupt and perhaps more capable than ours. The only thing they perhaps lack are “life experiences” (may they be social or academic) and this is precisely where we (teachers) fit in. To get them to see things which they haven’t seen yet and to share our knowledge and experience in the most “conductive” way NOT in the most “obtrusive” way.

    I understand my ideas are too radical for acceptance and faint do I hope that a collegue would take them open heartedly. Again the fault is mine as expecting this of TIP fellaws is perhaps expecting too much. I have recently been kicked out of the tipfaculty yahoogroup just because of being so “moon-phut” (candid), (though I haven’t resigned yet). Probably the runners of this group might be asked to kick me off from here as well. No one wants Area 51 in the limelight, now does one??



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