Whats wrong with Quack!? (Editorial Oct 2010)

By Abid Omar, Aasim Ahmed and Furhan Hussain

Why do you cause us so much grief? The recent fervor over an article pushed some former editors of Quack! to convene an international teleconference spanning 3 continents. We got together to see if this article requires a major response such as a makeover of the basic policies underlying Quack! Our discussion quickly shifted to whether North America is really a geographic entity separate from South America (yes it is), where in the world is Abid (eating lizards in Shanghai or foie gras in Paris) and whether it is possible to breathe and write at the same type (not possible for some).

Our task is daunting. The discussion we’re dealing with has swayed so far away from where it started that getting together three people from three continents was the easy part. So we thought it would be a good idea to lay out what we won’t be talking about here just so we’re clear.

What we will not be discussing

1. We will not be discussing TIP’s faculty and administration. Let’s face it, there have always been problems and always will be. That’s life. But they are doing something right to have over 700 graduates out into the industry.

2. We will not be talking about the lake, the horrible food at the cafeteria (apparently it’s not horrible anymore!) or how beautiful the fertilizer factory looks at night!

3. We will also not be discussing the pros and cons of ragging. We’ve been there and done that many a times before and one can find plenty of archives on the subject.

What we will be discussing

1. The ideology behind Quack!
2. What good journalism is about and how to write an effective piece.
3. What to do about anonymous postings


1. What is Quack! about, and who are you guys?
The vision/mission is contained in our about page, and also the first post ever made. Our role, as former editors, has been to hand over the editorship of Quack to somebody who upholds the same principles. At core is the principle to allow freedom of expression to all those associated with TIP. Sometimes we may not agree with what is expressed, or sometimes how it is expressed. However, this freedom of expression brings about an open discussion and debate, and has the potential to allow TIP to establish common ground between students, alumni, faculty and management.

Quack! offers the students, alumni, faculty as well as the management a voice. It is a medium for you to express your opinions. If you wish to be heard, sign up. There’s enough room for everyone.

2. So what! What about an editorial policy?
The role of the editor is to work with the writers to ensure that at least some minimum level of quality is maintained. This is in standards of journalism, fact checking, and in language (the boring bits of grammar and spellings). The editor is one of you, just another student in the next classroom. For the editor, who is studying textiles and not journalism, this is a learning experience too. He/she will make mistakes. And he or she will learn from this experience.

3. You guys still suck! Why do you allow anonymous postings and misinformation?!
Quack!’s policy regarding opinion and news related articles has been fairly straight forward. We have discouraged anonymous postings and gone to great lengths to encourage authors to own up to their writing. Usually, it was because writers were afraid of a backlash from the administration, and felt it was safer to hide their identity.

Commenting, however, has been a different ball game altogether. Quack! Online gives the author of any article, be it an editor of Quack! or not to monitor and edit comments on their articles. This gives the author control over the discussion generated in light of how comments refute or support the arguments presented by the author.

Which brings us full circle (that’s 360 degrees) to the reason for this article.
The recent article “DC fails to establish order,” is clearly stating an opinion based on unverified information. The majority of comments on the article are not focused around the contents of the article and are talking about matters that are irrelevant to the post. We appreciate that TIP faculty has clearly stated where they stand on this article. The writer has failed to respond appropriately, thus allowing the discussion to go into other directions. The writer needs to stand up to his writing.

At the end, Quack! Online is generally a reflection of the environment about campus. The architects of that environment are responsible for the outcome. And TIP can be proud to be having the oldest (likely) running online student newspaper in Pakistan, and also the most vibrant.

28 Replies to “Whats wrong with Quack!? (Editorial Oct 2010)”

  1. What we will be discussing

    1. The ideology behind Quack!
    2. What good journalism is about and how to write an effective piece
    3. What to do about anonymous postings

    hahahahehe and i thought my jokes were bad

    When i heard about quack online being independent student’s newspaper and it’s catch line read “pour your emotions here”, you ought to have mentioned the kind of emotions you people expected the students had..i thought it would be a forum where the voices of students of TIP would be heard, but all i hear is people trying oppress others and some people threatening others over their IP addresses.. You see the students of TIP are not happy bunnies and its high time you people realize it, but if all your concerns are about the identities of students, yelling at the top of your lungs to respect the faculty without answering any of the allegations so all this INDEPENDENT STUDENTS NEWS LETTER and POUR YOUR EMOTIONS HERE has lost its meaning………..

  2. yaha pe bhi TC shuru… this was supposed to be a fforum to discuss what your views are and how to improve TIP… My dear seniors, in order to improve we have to be critical first; and you are even taking that away…

  3. please read it loud…………… so this editorial policy is right or that one indicated below??

    http://www.quackonline.net/academics/technically-non-technical/

    Abid Omar says:
    December 3, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    It is very wise to talk about things you don’t know, especially on Quack. Its a part of learning about what you don’t know when you engage in debate.

    So no matter how naive the arguments, debate away!

    A word to the wise: Employers, especially entrepreneurs, will never be happy with the performance of their employees and their capital investments. This ‘unhappiness’ is key to improving performance, and key to their successes!

    Similarly, unhappy students may lead to a improved environment and improved education. Now, if only the educators were also somewhat unhappy with the state of affairs. Viva la revolution!

  4. Dear Anyone and the voice,

    There is no change in the editorial policy. Quack is still a voice for everywhere. We simply stated it again in a different manner. But if it still did not get through to you, let’s say it like this:

    Please debate here like you would with your mother/father/grandfather. Please be respectful. Don’t talk shit unless if you can back it up (with facts that you are willing to state, and with your persona).

    If you have something to say that you feel will harm your identity, get in touch with the Quack! Editors (anonymously if you wish), and we’ll help you state your case in a respectful and factual manner. And then when the shit hits the fan, we’ll be there to back you up. That’s the way change happens.

  5. @Abid Omar
    For your suggestion about debate here like you would with your mother/father/grandfather and being respectful, please have a look at your own comment in which you have several times used the word “shit” which i guess you wouldn’t use in front of your own family members
    In order to ask others to be respectful, you yourself should pay some respect to them also and whatever said has been supported by others as well but obviously not the OFFICIAL open people

  6. Voice, You certainly do have a talent to pick out exactly what you want from a sentence, put aside all that it was meant to mean and highlight something completely different.

    The word “shit” hasn’t been directed at anyone, nor is it calling you or anyone (or someone) for that matter names. It’s not comparing anyone to feces. It’s an expression and it’s not even relevant here that the commenter in not anonymous. Please take it as one and for once and try to understand what is being said.

    Abid, man! you shouldn’t have used the term knowing that there are people sitting around to lunge at any opportunity granted to them.

  7. the Voice is seconded… why the hell we are having this… once in for all be clear about quack’s reason of being… we dont want to insult either, but respect is gained by giving respect, and this attitude of ours clearly state that we need some serious answers…

  8. Aasim you are backing Abid here, but you pointed Voice out… I am again saying we want to talk, we want to reveal our identities, but we want insurance that after revealing the identity our grades and academic stay at TIP wont get adversely affected, I said this before and I am saying it again

  9. Of course I’m backing Abid and refuting “voice.” That was exactly the point of the comment.

    There is a way to express one’s concerns and the method adopted by you was not just inappropriate but at the same time “ineffective”. No one is getting through to anyone in this manner and pointing fingers has especially never resolved any problems for anyone.

    You say that you want to talk. I’ll tell you from experience. I’ve pointed out a lot of controversial factors and have been called in by authorities many a times. Never was any action taken against me with respect to my grades or in any way to jeopardize my career. However, rest assure that people can at times develop opinions about one another which can directly reflect in evaluations (i.e. grades). But that can be a result of anything, not necessarily articles on Quack! and that is what I suffered more from.

    If you’re still up for talking, let us know. We can help you get your point across such that it matters and is effective. And let me reiterate Abid here. Then if there are issues raised, we can stand by and defend you.

  10. AAsim(DUDE) talking about talents, you certainly have the talent to back up your friends even if they are unnecessarily being rude to others and trying to set rules for them,which they have no right to and to Abid MAN, your friend is right, you ought to be more careful with people like us (people sitting around to lunge at any opportunity granted to them)…

  11. @Aasim- By looking at your golden history, i seriously doubt about you pointing out a lot of controversial matters and called in by the authorities and just for the sake of argument if you really had those guts, then you wouldn’t have written this articles to support your loved ones but apparently we are not intimidated by UTHAO’S like you

    What we will not be discussing

    1. We will not be discussing TIP’s faculty and administration. Let’s face it, there have always been problems and always will be. That’s life. But they are doing something right to have over 700 graduates out into the industry.

    2. We will not be talking about the lake, the horrible food at the cafeteria (apparently it’s not horrible anymore!) or how beautiful the fertilizer factory looks at night!

    3. We will also not be discussing the pros and cons of ragging. We’ve been there and done that many a times before and one can find plenty of archives on the subject.

  12. “Someone”,”student of TIP” and “The Voice” has shown the true colors of faculty here to the people of TIP

  13. My anonymous friends, brace yourself as LORD FARQUAAD (people who have seen THE SHREK can easily guess who i’m referring to) is on the loose……….

  14. People who try to hide their identity are always in two way mind set..they never knw wats ryte wats wrong..if they knew..they would hv never hidden thmself in the first place..so why we all are listening to some confusing bunch of bunnies??? who dnt knw who they are?still they trying to enforce us to belive..sth which aint tht bad..to be hell bad :D..drama party..
    i guess enuff ” football commentary ” frm the hidden gang..!!
    faculty is faculty..u love em u hate thm..but u gotta respect thm..same way u respect ur parents..

  15. @mohsin waheed- A humble suggestion,I guess we should listen to their points rather than going after their identities

  16. “trying to set rules for them,which they have no right to”, (the voice)
    hey VOICE… i know i am copying yout style, but never mind….i dont even know who you r..
    The people you are debating with, are those who were the first to establish quack(http://www.quackonline.net/about/) Paragraph number 3,line1
    You better not teach them what quack is all about.

    I have an idea for you.
    Go to http://wordpress.com/…you can make your own a free blog here..

  17. @ VOICE, dude or dudette…i really like your writing style…wish you were not fighting but writting articles, ofcource with your name. 🙂

  18. @mohsin waheed- i have answers to all your questions but i’m here for the whales and wouldn’t waste my time and energy on unimportant and half-witted people like you

  19. if u cnt answer an ” unimportant” person like me..hw cn u answer to whales? 😀
    wake up kid!!

  20. @the former editors of Quack
    Fella’s for a long time you’ve used Quack for telling how perfect and beautiful things are at TIP and bored people with your boring and dumb articles about beauty and perfection. Its high time people see the other side of TIP but still you guys are trying to cause hurdles in the way of people who are trying to question the authority and trying to be the uncrowned KINGS of Quack
    @tipians (UTHAO’S)- Learn to question authority and do not try to act like robots, please use your brain and think logical instead of babbling about identities and give respect to faculty etc
    @Tipians (Non-Uthao’s) Please support us for our noble cause and send your comments

  21. @Mohsin Waheed-The whales have left, all i get to talk to now are all time small uthao’s like you

  22. O contrary, Quack! is about the un-important person sitting in the next classroom. It’s exactly about just one and all of those people.

  23. ya right unimportant,after removing the page “Quack who set the rules” i do feel the same way- you FORMER moderators sucks by only allowing the comments one sided and blocking the answers or else THIS Mohsin won’t be talking anymore

  24. It’s funny how some people are telling those people to learn to question authority who have always been under flame for doing the same.

    I love how some people religiously follow Quack! reading each and every ‘boring’ article just so they can leave a pointless, irrelevant and hateful comment in the end. Keep it up, but when you get bored, please do try to contribute towards betterment as well. Might just help you.

    Be a part of the solution, rather than the problem.

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