“Internships are useless!” -JJ

15052009037-smallTIP was honoured by a visit from Junaid Jamshed, singer turned preacher, this Friday afternoon. During the 90 minute session in front of an audience packed lecture theater, he touched upon turning points of his life, faith in general, and numerous aspects of an ideal Islamic life.

Among other issues, he discussed faith based business practices, social evils in people, and triumphs of the Tableeghi Jamaat which he represents. He also stressed upon how most of the people who call themselves Muslims have deviated from the ideal teachings of the doctrine and Prophet (pbuh), leaving behind the spiritual and worldly benefits they provide.

JJ further elaborated over how he believes that joining the mission he represents is the correct way to undo the deviations people have fallen into.

He ended his sermon by inviting all students to commit to the activities of the Tableeghi Jamaat instead of “wasting” their upcoming 3 month vacations in industry internships which he believes are “useless” and “exploitative”.

One would like to appreciate TIP and all active societies of TISF for arranging lectures of all guest speakers from diverse fields. It is always interesting to listen to views of people from a variety of fields and schools of thought. I’m sure most people must feel the same.

28 Replies to ““Internships are useless!” -JJ”

  1. In as much as I respect JJ for his ideals and intentions, his idea of internships being useless was a bit off the mark.

    Now he could have said internship is all good, but students may, if they want to, do something purely in the service of religion; and that would have made sense.

    Bur pitting professional internships against “internships for god’s sake” was rather unnecessary.

    Shahzad Roy counters this school of thought with somewhat tangy lyrics:

    ” kuch na ker, kuch na ker tu, sab kuch Allah pai chor dai, Allah hi tera hafiz hai!”

  2. I personally admire JJ and loved his speech!!

    But, to be more specific, I dont like the way he convinced students to come for the “Jamaat”. Students who didn’t stand up that day on his call were kind of under-estimated at that point of time. Why was it necessary to pratice this exercise at the end of session? I mean those who were interested should have come by themselves. You don’t need a practical “gawahi” at that time.

    Secondly, a majority of students (specially design and apparel) were also there to listen JJ talking about textile industry and the job market. Instead, he start under-estimating and discouraging students for their internships which is obviousl quite non-pratical!

  3. there are a few things i want to clearify..

    1) tableegi jamaat is not as “islamic Sect” unlike other oraganisations..they condemn sectism themselves..infact they dont even claim to be an oraganisation..

    2)Junaid Jamshaid also wanted to talk on the textile industry, specially his bussiness, but unfortunatly the time didnt permit it..thanks to the Transport manager of tip who coulnt wait for another 20 mints

    3)what he claimed about the useless nature of the interships, was his personal experience..

    4) as far as the “practical gawahi” is concerned, this method of DAWAH is practised all over the world..hundreds and thousands of LABEL MUSLIM PHLOSPhers have explored islam and Thousands Revert to Islam by this method…we cant just cricize it..J.J unlike us is a DAI and has practically travelled through countries and has inspired thousands..

    5)a few months back..a speaker named SHIMA KERMANI came as a TISF guest speaker and literally clamed that women should Expose their bodies because thats the basic pupose of thier existance..no one critized her..its a comon practice here..we like to critisize people who we think our not Liberal enough according to our standards..
    yeh internships wali baat ager koi three peice suit meh karay toh WE will ssupport him..

  4. anyways i really appreciate all of u for your support and appreciation..God bless you all! 🙂

  5. “yeh internships wali baat ager koi three peice suit meh karay toh WE will ssupport him..”

    No Sarim. At least; I will not support him. And I am sure a majority of the sensible students will do the same.

  6. So much for the good image of Pakistan. We are actually proving to the world that taliban-ization is coming to the secular seats of learning.
    Its an irony to see this article over Eqbal Ahmed remembrance as they both symbolize two very different extremes of thought.

  7. majority of Executives of the industry say the same..was talking to a CEO of TEXTILE TESTING INTERNATIONAL..he too said the same thing..internships may be a good idea for Bnsiness students.. but for engineering students.. its a wastage of time..

  8. This from someone who is so much indebt of all the help he got from his secularist ex friend khuda kay leeay director. Mullahs are all hypocrites.


  9. a few months back..a speaker named SHIMA KERMANI came as a TISF guest speaker and literally clamed that women should Expose their bodies because thats the basic pupose of thier existance..no one critized her.

    It’s nature of human that he hardly condemns evil things because they are sync with his comfort

  10. i really repect JJ as person and the cause he is working for….. but i dont agree with his idea of “internship is of no use”….as a texpert i would recommend it….as to see and guage how does the industry works….to grow in confidence….

  11. There was this person who was ignorant and stupid and jahil; his way to beseech god was rather disrespectful,perhaps bordering on blasphemy.

    Defying Moosa; Defying Moosa’s perception of God.

    So he went around everywhere with a pot of water, like a maniac, day and night, looking for god. His wish was to wash the god’s feet. That was his idea of spirituality.

    One unfortunate day, Moosa mocked him. Told him the god that he was looking for did not exists. That Moosa’s god could only be approached through ways very different from what the maniac believed in.

    That simpleton was so struck at the loss of his idea of god, he went quiet for the rest of his life.

    Never speaking.
    Never asking passerby’s of the whereabouts of god.
    Never carrying a pot of water.

    He sat and stared; sat and stared; forever lost.

    The story ended with Moosa’s God complaining to Moosa in words that meant,

    ‘ Dear Moosa, I have sent you to my people so you may bring them closer to me; did you instead just drove one of my loved one away?!’

  12. Internships are useless because MOST, especially in the textile industry in Pakistan, are non-structured and a complete waste of time.

    They are not internships in the least, more like recurrent field trips to the mill where a student is expected to show up for a few weeks to look around and ask a few questions here and there in the name of internship. Perhaps compile a report on the machines and jot down the dyeing recipes and machine parameters at random.

    It’s not wise to quote part of a statement overlooking the full context. Whether it’s one from JJ or Sheema Kirmani. Often what’s actually said is different from what is inferred as people have a tendency to assume a lot on the basis of their own perception.

    Extremism has many forms and moderation should be practiced at all ends.

    I feel that the title of this post is misleading and harsh.

  13. We’re very unfortunate to have been fed with the notion that God will throw us in hell if we use our brains to critically evaluate anything associated with religion, especially the clergy. No wonder we have so many Swats and FATA’s. God does not think like us, and has repeatedly encouraged people to use the brain that he so lovingly blessed mankind with.

    It is common for news reports to highlight main issues and quotes from events. Sorry, no statement has been taken out of context, that’s a guilty accusation. There’s no personal opinion in this report, except for the ending where the organizers are being thanked. Unfortunately for those angry with the news, the author did not glorify and sugar coat certain things which were being expected to be done in that manner. Other than that, it is perfectly neutral.

    Religion, without doubt is the most effective blackmail tool that is used to both, positively, and exploitatively influence people. It is common for people to make lower level religious people (people other than prophets and saints) appear so divinely blessed that any attempt at evaluating them is considered blasphemous. It is sad.

    I did not attend the entire session of Sheema Kirmani, but comparing her with JJ is silly and off the mark. It shows desperation to shift focus.

    I will not discuss the posts regarding the Tableeghi Jamaat, although, yes, I do believe it is a division in what is just ‘Islam’, otherwise there wouldn’t be a different name combined with innovative structuring, ideologies or innovations in it.

  14. @ Aasim Ahmed

    Internships in most textile mills may be useless, at the moment, because the way they should be conducted is not being properly or efficiently followed. It is not the concept of internships that needs to be altogether shunned. You do not say that religion is a useless concept because most people claiming to be associated with it are hypocrites. No. You talk about making sure it is properly followed so people don’t end up being hypocrites and sinners.

  15. “I will not discuss the posts regarding the Tableeghi Jamaat, although, yes, I do believe it is a division in what is just ‘Islam’, otherwise there wouldn’t be a different name combined with innovative structuring, ideologies or innovations in it.”

    Totally agree with you. In as much as we like to believe that JJ is just Islam and not a sect, Tableeghi Jamat does officially represent a sect: Sunni sect following Deobandi’s school of thought thats a subset of Hanafi jurisprudence.

    That is VERY VERY specific.

    and I would like to add with a bit of arrogant amusement, that most people who adhere to this precise philosophy are not even aware that Deobandi’s origin lies in the pre-partition India’s muslim clergy dissent.

    Its a regional grown revolt or movement. Only subcontinentals knw about it, or those we have managed to export the idea to.

    A large chunk of good Muslims around the world dont even know there is such a division of Deobandi and Barelvi.

    And yet, we like to believe that the Islam that was revealed on Holy Prophet (pbuh) was a Sunni Islam, Hanafi Juresprudence, Deobandi school of thought.

  16. Furhan, it’s a matter of choice.

    People for a fact are vulnerable in the name of religion.

    Ofcourse internships need to be structured. So do many other things. What’s the argument? that J shouldn’t have used the work internship in his talk or that Kirmani shouldn’t have used the word women in hers? Do you get my point?

  17. Kirmani again, where I will not comment because I was not there when she said this in whatever context. Shame we’re comparing “Apparent Saint” with “Liberal extremist” repeatedly, where both dialogues hold no common grounds allegorically or context wise.

    Back to point. People are vulnerable in the name of religion only when they are ignorant, stretched between opposing words, and unsure of the results their actions might yield in the jury of Allah. But I don’t know why that needs to be brought up.

    You agree that internships need to be structured like many other things. It’s as simple as that. What’s the point shunning it altogether and blackmailing them to accept an alternative to internships that holds no comparison with the previous. But since I’m not discussing the religious aspect of it, I’ll still he was politically wrong, and in a way you have agreed to that as well.

  18. “Kirmani again, where I will not comment because I was not there when she said this in whatever context.”

    I was there and I can comment and I am sure Sheema didnt say “women should Expose their bodies because thats the basic pupose of thier existance”

    Infact, there was never a tinge in her entire prose on classical dance being gender specific art/immorality, whichever one may apply.

    If there is anyone quoting out of context or quoting an entirely inventive statement here, it is definitely not Furhan.

  19. plus the title of this post might be harsh. but its definitely not misleading in the sense that it does portray what JJ meant to convey during the session.

    He wasnt assessing the pros and cons of internship critically or as an independent topic; Infact the discussion on internship came up in the very context when JJ was trying to invite people to 40 days preaching plan.

  20. @ Furhan : yaar is lecture ke recording mill sakti hai ..

    secondly meri samajh mein ye baat nahi ati keh loog pura ilm rakhtay nahi .. phir bhi comment kernay se guraiz nahi kertay … banday ne agar dawat de hai to chalay jao … nahi dil kerta to na jao … hosakta hai keh aap ke comment se koi shaks apnay janay ka irada tark kerday.. jesa keh ALLAH ne HAZRAT MOOSA se kaha;

    (Dear Moosa, I have sent you to my people so you may bring them closer to me; did you instead just drove one of my loved one away?!’)

    as far as internships are concerned they are fruit full only when you avail them properly … rather than sitting in the chai hotel in front of the mill all day long

  21. SAAD bhai ..JJ told not to record his talk therefore i dont think any 1 tried to record his lecture…

  22. Aitibaaar bhi aa hi jaaye ga..
    suno tu sahi…
    raaasta koi..
    mil hi jaaye ga….
    chalo tu sahi..
    chalo tu sahi….
    did he sing this song ?

  23. no atif he didnt, but sure thing it wud hav been better if he wud hav encouraged females to work along males, and asked everyone to respect eachother and provide dat dignity so dat we cud all turn into better people and make dis society a beter place.

  24. Not even did he discouraged people to not to do internships he even discouraged females to even not to study ya even work as professionals because the kind of remark that he made about females wasnt praise worthy too.

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